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Started by Liberian at 03-27-2007 7:26 AM. Topic has 14 replies.
  
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 03-27-2007, 7:26 AM
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Liberian
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My take on the last rounds of qualifier for group 5
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After watching the Cameroon V. Liberia and Equatorial Guinea V. Rwanda games, I’m convinced that the total points Cameroon and E. Guinea can gain from the remaining qualifier are 12 points and 9 points respectively. I’m also convinced that Cameroon will emerge as group winner due to goal difference with Liberia as runner up. Both Cameroon and Liberia will acquire 12 points but Cameroon will take the group leadership due to goal difference while Liberia will have to wait and see if they can also go to Ghana as one of the best second place seat from the various qualifiers.
Analysis of last two rounds of play for each team in the group.
Cameroon:
Cameroon will lose the road games in Liberia and E. Guinea and win the game against Rwanda in Yaounde to collect a total of 12 points from the qualifier. By how many goals, I honestly can’t tell.
Argument for assertion:
In all honestly, Cameroon win against Liberia in Yaounde was not convincing. The win was a combination of pure luck and referee’s biased against the Liberian team. The Liberia goalie allows Webo to score a cheap goal in the 12th minute when he failed to clear the ball in the area.
Even though Cameroon was able to score a decent goal in the 24th minute of the game, Liberia completely out played the IL in the first half. The Liberians pressure payoff in the dying minutes of the first half when Francis Doe scored that spectacular goal to put Liberia back in the game.
The second half was played at the detriment of the Liberian team when the officials sensed that Liberia’s pressure would have eventually payoff and help them to equalize. Thus they begin to card the Liberian players each time they tried to attack, counter attack or stop the IL from approaching their penalty area.
5 yellow cards against the Liberian plus one red card against Liberian defender George Gebro whom by the way was the best defender in the match and the caused for Eto’s ineffectiveness throughout the game undid the Lone Star.
The decision by the officials to robe Liberia in broad daylight dented the Lone Star’s team spirit and allows Cameroon to score that last minute goal to arrive at a final score of 3 to 1 for Cameroon instead of 2 all tie or even 3 to 2 for Liberia.
Cameroon won’t have that luxury in both Liberia and E. G. Liberia has two home games left to play and a win at home over both Cameroon and E.G. can restore their hope of going to Ghana. Thus, the Liberians will be inspired by the presence of the full compliment of defenders with Fallah Johnson, Jimmy Dixon, and Chris Gbandi whom could not travel to Cameroon due to injury. E. G. is also bumming with courage knowing that they can win their last 3 games and take leadership of the group. Pride is all that left for Rwanda, so they may not want to spend money on professional players for their last 3 games, as this is just a matter of formality for them.
However, I think they will put up a fight in Rwanda against Liberia and E.G. on their home ground but Liberia will come up with the win since it’s their last game and by then they would have accumulated 9 points from beating Cameroon and E.G. in Monrovia.
Liberia:
Lets not sound repetitive here but it’s really hard to beat Liberia at home so Liberia will make use of the 2 home games they have left and beat both Cameroon and E. G. in Monrovia and surprise Rwanda in Kigali to obtain 12 points from the qualifier. Number of goals they’ll score in the last 3 games? I honestly don’t know and since Cameroon already have 9 goals to their credit; I think the IL will emerge as group winner with Liberia as runner up.
Equatorial Guinea:
E. G. will accumulate a total of 9 points in the qualifier to conclude the tournament as second runner up to Liberia and Cameroon since their next game is in Rwanda and the Rasps will be out for revenge from the last game. They will lose to Liberia in Monrovia and beat Cameroon on their home turf.
Rwanda:
Rwanda is finished. The only thing they can do now is wipe the shame off couch Michael Nees’ face in Kigali by beating E.G. in June. After that, their hope will be dashed by Cameroon in Yaounde with the last nail placed on their coffin by Liberia in Kigali in their final game.
CLICK ON THE LINK BELOW TO SEE THE GOALS
http://www.telediaspora.net/portail/fr/visuelvideo.asp?idpays=23&Idmedia=194&idchaine=4&cat=1
Love’s Opinion, LiberianLove
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03-27-2007, 4:27 PM
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Player100
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Re: My take on the last rounds of qualifier for group 5
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Liberian,
I think with early preparation and the right player like Oliver Markor included then we might have a chance. I am still pessimistic about Liberia beating Cameroon. Cameroon players are alway prepare. They are well experience.
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04-02-2007, 5:14 PM
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Liberianboy
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Re: My take on the last rounds of qualifier for group 5
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I disagree with your assertions that Liberia will qualify for Ghana 08. Liberia has not won a single game convincingly since the early years of this century. They've, many times, won a game by a difference of 1 goal, or played to a goalless tie. Liberia has lost badly to Togo, Senegal, Tunisia, Ghana, Congo, etc .... all at home when home games are your promising chances.
Liberia stand a very dim chance to make it through. Your points are from a standpoint of a FAN, not of an analyst. Speak from both sides, bro, in order to attract more audience. Cameroon is sure of winning her remaining home game. So is Equatorial Guinea.
My point here is that Liberia has not performed up to standard to issue a stern warning to any of her opponents. Cameroon wants to qualify just the same way as every team in her zone. Our overseas players are plying their skills in lower level leaugues in Asia (and Asia Minor) and Europe than the BIGs (Serie A, EPL, Bundesliga, La Liga). Experience will overshadow us anytime.
I love Liberia (or the Lone Star) at heart. I'll cheer 'em up any day. However, we must also "Play and listen to Side B on the cassette."
"Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts"
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04-03-2007, 8:03 AM
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Liberian
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Re: My take on the last rounds of qualifier for group 5
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Like you asserted in a previous post, every one is entitled to his or her opinion and whether you like it or not, the above write-ups are my opinion. However, I take serious exception to some of your arguments since most of them have very little to do with the fact and everything to do with fabrications and unrehearsed lies.
Some of the points you raised are:
A) Liberia has not won a single game convincingly since the early years of this century.
Either you’re choosing to be extremely naïve and downright biased here or you just don’t know the meaning of the word century. Liberia placed herself among Africa’s football elites by winning multiple games against the like of Mauritius, Algeria, Ghana, Nigeria, Congo Brazzaville, Gambia, South Africa, Gabon, Malawi, Sierra Leone, Mali etc in convincing faction. All of the above-mentioned games were played in the past 12 to 15 years so I don’t see why anyone in their right mine would want to insinuate that Liberia has not won any convincing match in the past 100 years. Liberia was number 6 in Africa’s ranking just a few years ago. So, for you to come in here and lie with a straight face about a record that’s easily verifiable especially in this Internet age of our really makes me to wonder about your understanding of fact and fiction?
B) Liberia has lost badly to Togo, Senegal, Tunisia, Ghana, Congo, etc .... all at home when home games are your promising chances.
Again, you just concocted another bold face lie here. I believe your ultimate goal is to just talk BS and confuse other forumers on matter you know nothing about. The only country that gave Liberia a convincing defeat at home from the above list was Senegal, which beats Liberia 3 goals to nil in Monrovia during one of the qualifier. If I may record, Liberia performed dismally in that match due to the fact that she was already out of the tournament and had nothing to gain by bringing in players from abroad. I don’t record Liberia ever playing Tunisia in Monrovia in the past 20 years but the results for the other games are listed below for your viewing pleasure.
Liberia V. Togo 0, 0 Togo V. Liberia 3, 0
Liberia V. Senegal 0, 3 Senegal V. Liberia 6, 1
Liberia V. Ghana 1, 2 Ghana V. Liberia 1, 3
Liberia V. Congo 5, 1 Congo V. Liberia 0, 1
c) Liberia stand a very dim chance to make it through. Your points are from a standpoint of a FAN, not of an analyst. Speak from both sides, bro, in order to attract more audience. Cameroon is sure of winning her remaining home game. So is Equatorial Guinea.
On the contrary, I believe Liberia stands an excellent chance of making it to Ghana in 2008 as one of the best 3 second placed seat from the various qualifiers. I posted the highlights of the goals from the Cameroon V. Liberia game for all to see and make their own assessment of the remaining games. With the exception of Cameroon’s first goal, which in my view was a pure giveaway by Louis Crayton, Cameroon shows nothing in that game to convince me that she can win in Monrovia and Equatorial Guinea. Cameroon’s second goal was clearly offside if you know what that means. You can see 2 Cameroon players behind the last Lone Star defender before the ball was released from the leg of the passing player. That according to FIFA rules is offside but the biased officials ruled it onside to give Cameroon a 2 goals to zero cushion over Liberia. I watch the entire match. The ref was clearly against Liberia in that game and the match officials did everything to show it. About 80% of the calls were against Liberia. Five yellows and one red card to Liberia, none to Cameroon. When the ref realized that Liberia was pushing for an equalizer to end the game 2 goals to 2, he gave a cheap red card to George Gebro with almost 20 minutes left to play. Even at that, the Liberians continue to press the Cameroon until the dying minutes of the game before Cameroon scored the third goal. It just that luck and the officials were not on the Lone Star’s side. Cameroon won’t have the luxury in June to robe Liberia in her own backyard, as was done Youande. I don’t really see why people seem to fear Cameroon. Besides that one-quarter final appearance in the world about 30 years ago and the CAF trophy she won 15 years ago, Cameroon hasn’t won anything in this decade that warrant s all that hype. With the Cameroonian “Issa Iyatou” as president of CAF, Cameroon was able to make it to the world cup through hook and crook wins about 4 to 5 times but failed to make it beyond the first round in 4 of those outing.
The good thing about the last 3 matches in this qualifier is that Liberia has 2 home games left while both E.G. and Cameroon has 2 road matches left to play. I can feel you disappointment about Liberia. But you have to also understand the Lone Star’s predicament. That f—k up LFA and the MYS in Monrovia are the problem not our players. The players can compete with any team on the continent and beat them if the right resources are put in place.
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06-03-2007, 7:49 AM
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zinzin
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Re: My take on the last rounds of qualifier for group 5
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Liberian, you have got to be kidding me right???? Please tell me this analysis is from some fantasy internet game that is still to be released! You don't honestly think you can match Cameroon to Liberia, Equatorial Guinee, or Rwanda: up to the extent of thinking the former two will pull one on Cameroon!
Be realistic, ok.....It helps to be....that way you don't get a heart attack when your beloved team is trumped 6-0 right infront of you.
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06-06-2007, 4:36 AM
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Liberianboy
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Re: My take on the last rounds of qualifier for group 5
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Liberian considers himself to be the best analyst on this site and in many forums as well, regardless of the topic. He is very insulting too.
Almost all of those games that Liberia won, as you accordingly recorded, were played in the late 90's - like Liberia vs Congo, Liberian vs The Gambia, etc. Yea, Liberia won her WC qualifier game vs Ghana in Accra. Let's admit that that was a convincing win for the sake of peace. If I'm recalling right, what other game(s) have Liberia won by a difference of 2 or more goals? Well, this is not the main point for now.
I just wanna show you that you, many times, make your analysis from a FAN. You wrote that Liberia will beat Cameroon in Monrovia. The game has since been played. Should I suggest that your quietness to this point is because your analysis were wrong? Look, Cameroon is eager to regain her status as one of "Africa's Elite." They have more experienced players playing in BIG leagues in Europe that we currently have. READ THE COMMENTARY ON OUR RECENT GAME WITH THEM.
I konw you love your country and so do I. However, I love the game of soccer and I do consider many factors and points before rendering my judgment. How you performed yesterday has little or nothing to do with your performance tomorrow.
Be a gentleman, stop the insults when someone doesn't agree with you. The difference or differences in our thoughts and understanding as it relate to soccer make us who we are (the entire world). Love a person for who he is even if he or she doesn't agree with you.
"Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts"
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06-06-2007, 5:42 PM
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Re: My take on the last rounds of qualifier for group 5
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LiberianBoy..You are so wrong about your analysis....1st Liberia Beat Gambia with only ZIZI ROBERTS as a foreign player..That is to prove you analogy wrong..( Liberia won that game 3-0) and that was not the famous Weah 11.
Do you know that we had a penalty in that game against Cameroon that could have made it 2-2.
The Lone Star is the only team that scored against Cameron this year. Do you know that?
Liberian is not being abusive. He is on the other sites dealing with folks like they deal with him. I am in all the rooms with him also, so I know. We both have been in those rooms for years now.
Watch this team Grow. Like Ma Ellen said...” keep them together” and we will be back.
See what Uganda did to a Star studded Nigerian squad?
It can be done. Just give this team a chance.
" We are Playing for the Liberian People" George Weah
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06-06-2007, 6:43 PM
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Liberianboy
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Re: My take on the last rounds of qualifier for group 5
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Monroviaboy, what's abput my analysis that is wrong? Liberia has beaten The Gambia twice to the best of my knowledge. The first was France 98 WC preliminary in Accra, Ghana. Liberia won that game 4 - 0. A point of correction on your part: Zizi was Liberia's newest addition in that game and he did score. The only locals in that game at were Fallah Johnson and two others whose names I cannot remember well. All of Liberia first-line strikers were plying in Europe: Debbah, Daye, Weah, Nagbe, and Roberts, etc... Anthony Tokpah, Sebwe, etc. Sorry I can't recall the names of all those guys because it's ben 11 years plus since that game was played. Zizi was not the only professional in that game. Weah, Daye, Debbah, Nagbe, Tokpah, etc, all played.
We'd beaten The Gambia earlier that same year at South Africa '96. Liberia won 2 - 1 on a first-half goal from a penalty kick by Kevin Sebwe and a second-half goal by Mass Sahr, Jr. Even on BBC Africa, Liberia had the highest-ranking profile players that were all scorers on their respective teams according to analysts; Weah was the reigning world-best player at the time, performing poorly at the ANC. A guy/player of his caliber that dribbled tough defenses in the French League and the Serie A could not dribble a Gambian defense containing locals .... and the same with Zaire (currently DR Congo). That was 11 years ago, bro.
Thanks to the Lone Star for being the only team to score against the Indomitable Lions so far. However, how much applause do you wanna give for that record? We are talking about VICTORIES, Monroviaboy, not just scoring a lone consolation goal against Cameroon. Bottomline, we didn't have a stronger side that could have competed with Cameroon on a 50 - 50 or even better ratio. What would you expect of a group of aging semi-professionals playing in low-level leagues in Asia Minor against a side that's featuring /older/younger professionals playing in top leagues in France, Spain, England, Germany, etc? Oh yes, the bad no-call on the "Should-have-been penalty kick!" That's always the case for a complaining Liberian side after she loses.
Read Liberian's previous comments on this particular topic and if you still have, read his comments on the "George Weah-for-president issue." Above you will read that he called me "Naive." In the George Weah topics, he insulted those of us who did not support the soccer player for president. Player10 (now player100) and I were victims of his vocabularies.
Don't get me wrong. I love it when people debate issues for the sake of understanding. I love it when we talk about sports in a notable fashion regardless of our agreements/disagreements. However, when you pronounce somebody as been stupid or naive simply because he or she disgreed with you, it's just BAD. Another person was Ghana08SA2010 and we talked about him via telephone before.
Liberia will have her chances again but now till after some time. We need to rebuild by bringing up promising youths.
"Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts"
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06-07-2007, 5:51 AM
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MonroviaBoy
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Re: My take on the last rounds of qualifier for group 5
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Do you remember the game that ZIZI was crying?
3-0 ATS win for Liberia...
We needed to wen 3-0 to get to the next round..The local based team lost away 2-0
ZIZI returned .
So you need to remember this game also...This was not a Weah 11 team..this game Tondo scored two goals and Zizi scored 1
This is the link to the Pics from the game
http://liberiansoccer.com/Liberia%20vs%20Gambia%20Pics.htm
" We are Playing for the Liberian People" George Weah
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06-08-2007, 12:21 PM
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Liberian
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Re: My take on the last rounds of qualifier for group 5
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Liberian considers himself to be the best analyst on this site and in many forums as well, regardless of the topic. He is very insulting too.
Almost all of those games that Liberia won, as you accordingly recorded, were played in the late 90's - like Liberia vs Congo, Liberian vs The Gambia, etc. Yea, Liberia won her WC qualifier game vs Ghana in Accra. Let's admit that that was a convincing win for the sake of peace. If I'm recalling right, what other game(s) have Liberia won by a difference of 2 or more goals? Well, this is not the main point for now.
I just wanna show you that you, many times, make your analysis from a FAN. You wrote that Liberia will beat Cameroon in Monrovia. The game has since been played. Should I suggest that your quietness to this point is because your analysis were wrong? Look, Cameroon is eager to regain her status as one of "Africa's Elite." They have more experienced players playing in BIG leagues in Europe that we currently have. READ THE COMMENTARY ON OUR RECENT GAME WITH THEM.
I konw you love your country and so do I. However, I love the game of soccer and I do consider many factors and points before rendering my judgment. How you performed yesterday has little or nothing to do with your performance tomorrow.
Be a gentleman, stop the insults when someone doesn't agree with you. The difference or differences in our thoughts and understanding as it relate to soccer make us who we are (the entire world). Love a person for who he is even if he or she doesn't agree with you.
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I’m not going to waste my time to argue with people who line of reasoning completely defies logic. First, all the games I listed in my post above including the Mauritius VS Liberia game which ended 4 goals to nil in favor of Liberia were played after 2001. Second, Liberianboy has no evident what so ever to support his claims that I have been abusive toward others in this or other forums.
Liberia was grouped with South Africa, Mauritius and Congo Brazzaville in 2001 for the Mali 2002 African Cup of Nation qualifier.
The Results to that qualifier is listed below with Liberia ending up as the group’s winner over South Africa.
South Africa VS Liberia 1 0
Mauritius VS Liberia 4 0
Congo VS. LIBERIA 1 1
Liberia VS Mauritius 3 0
Liberia vs Congo 5 1
Liberia VS South Africa 1 1.
So how can anyone in their right mind claim that the country hasn’t won a game by more than 2 goals in the 21st century when the country has won against countries like Ghana 3 1, Mauritius 4 0 Mauritius 3 0, Congo 5 1 Gambia 3 0 etc? My analysis would have work if the team was given some friendly matches prior to the encounter in Monrovia. But as usually the fools in the LFA and MYS opted to play I.E. and Barolle prior to the Cameroon game and failed to play Prince Daye when he was available and wanted to play free of charge. Cameroon on the other hand saw the performance Lone Star put up in Yaounde and decided to get serious. Thus, their good showing in our own back yard.
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06-09-2007, 9:09 PM
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Smartfootball
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Re: My take on the last rounds of qualifier for group 5
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Liberian, corrections on your first four scorces:
South Africa VS Liberia 2-1 (Prince Daye score the one goal for Liberia)
Mauritius VS Liberia 0-2 ( Tondo scorced both goals for Liberia)
Congo VS Liberia 0-1 (Prince Daye scored that only goal)
Liberia VS Mauritius 4-0 (We beat them 4-0 in Monrova, but I don't remember who scored)
All of you all opinions are opinions and that it.
Now I will add my own opinion. We have a lot if telents but we don't have good management at the FA and do not prepare for games. secondly, most of these telents are playing in low leagues. As a result, our players are not playing at the highest level to show their telent. Look at the likes of Ghana, Nigeria, Cameroon and Ivory Coast. Starters for all of the mentioned teams are regular in the top 4 or 5 league in the world. Moreover, these teams play test match with top team in the world. They are better prepared and are better then we are because of the reasons I memtioned above. Its just the fact.
Look guys, we are not ready yet. We do not even play test matches, I mean high level test matches, not teams from the LFA, one of the worst leagues in Africa.
If the FA is serious, with the government support they should keep the butch of young players on the Lone Star together and expose them to better test matches. Also use the same starters when posible all the time so that they can know each other game to play better as a unite.
Additionally, I hope our players get to play in the top leagues in Europe and mix with the world's best. Remember to be the best, you have to play the best or play with the best.
Yes, I know some of our players are pro, but playing in Sweden and Indonia(misspell) will not cut it. They need to play at the higher level. If this team is kept together and continue to train and play high level test matches up the the 2010 nations cup and world cup we will improve alot and some of our players may be spotted and taken to Europe. Until then, we will always be hoping.
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07-04-2007, 10:12 AM
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Liberianboy
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Re: My take on the last rounds of qualifier for group 5
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Liberian,
Alright, let's agree that I wasn't in my right mind and posted such argument in opposition to yours. Where is the Lone Star now? You presented claims (along with Monroviaboy) that the Lone Star will qualify for Ghana08 but did not convincingly agrue why. You only mentioned "YOUR BELIEFS."
Come on, guys. Let me re-iterate this thing: "The Lone Star has not won any game convincingly, especially against Africa's Powerhouses. Those games that she won were against countries below her level at the time." Yea, one argument would be the Nigeria Super Eagles and the Black Stars of Ghana, which were great defeats. What ranks did Niger, Mauritius, Cape Verde Islands, Gambia, etc. Never mind that those defeat to Ghana and Nigeria were both in 2001. Where has the Lone Star been after 2001? Mali 2002, yes, but failed to beat Mali and Algeria after leading for most of the game.
With no foundation and or proof, you exclaimed that Liberia will beat Cameroon & Equatorial Guinea in Monrovia. What made you say that is yet to come outt'a your mouth. Or wait a minute, you thought that by the way the Lone Star played in Younde was enough for your exclamation and belief that the Lone Star would be victorious come the final whistle of the return leg in Monrovia. Don't only be a fan, bro, be an ENTHUSIAST. Love the game and know more about it. I am not a prophet but we look back in time and at the present amongst other things before running/making claims. Go back in time to the issues about the most recent World Cup and the George-Weah-for-president thing and you'd see that many of my sayings came true. You may think that it was just my luck. Whatever!
You went as far as insulting me over this issue, something which Monrovia doesn't believe to date. You called me Naive; yet, the naive fellow's sayings came to reality and those of the wise went where ..........? Can you guess? Keep bringing it on. I love soccer and the Lone Star. Sometimes I which I could have played for my country but I am aging now. Nevertheless, I am embarking on plans to pursue my soccer career in Europe next summer. I am not bragging; I am just telling you that besides playing the game, I also love it and am an analyst too. "You (and Monroviaboy) only speak from a fan standpoint and that's why your comments are always one-sided. I can justify this from the Lone Star and from the Liberian presidential run.
What else do y'all both have to talk about? Bring it on...... Or what other description do you have for me? I miss WeahFan because with all his fanhood thing, he still tosses his coin right and comments on SIDE B.
"Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts"
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11-04-2007, 10:09 AM
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anita
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Re: My take on the last rounds of qualifier for group 5
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Hello how are you,
Im a spanish old friend of Prince Daye. When he left to Israel I lost the contact.
I would like to know where is he playing now if you know it.
Thank you very much for your help.
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07-05-2011, 6:03 AM
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ringrechoc
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Re: My take on the last rounds of qualifier for group 5
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